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ADVANCE Perspective: HIM

What Are You Hearing?

Published May 8, 2008 9:56 AM by Lynn Jusinski

I've heard and read the horror stories: the physician who dictates from her child's swim practice, the doc who treats MTs to his hacking cough, the PA who insists on scarfing a Big Mac while telling MTs about a patient.

I recently finished an article on dictation practices for our May 19 issue, and let me tell you--it's certainly an issue MTs are passionate about. The article focused more on the ways that MTs, MTSOs and HIM managers can quell bad dictation practices, so I didn't get to really go into all of the nasty things that MTs are privy to when they sit down to listen to dictations. I know there are some awful stories out there, so what's yours?

All the sources I spoke to had a particularly nasty story about dictation. One recalled physician who dictated from the bath. She also related a story about a report with 25 blanks. After the MT got two more people involved with the difficult report, they finally got it down to eight blanks--but it took 2 hours to finish--and the report was only 110 lines total. Another source talked about reports where the MT had to listen to 20 minutes of dead air for reports that ended up being less than a page long--where the MT must be a captive audience to the silence because they can't hang up, and they have to listen because the dictator may start speaking again.  

All the sources concluded one thing--better dictation practices will mean better reports and better patient care. Gone are the days of the private dictation booths in hospitals. Dictators now find themselves crowded into the nurses' station, huddled and interrupted in a busy environment, at best. Hence, the horror stories.

Can you top the stories above? Not only will venting your dictation horror stories possibly prove to be a bit cathartic, it might also open up some eyes to what MTs really hear when they listen to a patient's story--from chewing to splashes to who knows what else.

9 comments

I worked for a hospital where a particular doctor dictated at a bowling alley... Her dictation was very difficult in the first place...and then many times throughout the report, we would hear the ball hit the alley and strike the pins.  Oh yeah, this is the same doctor who ate carrots or crunch vegetables.   We heard her patients really liked her!!

Linda, MT - MT June 2, 2008 9:04 PM
MN

Tell me - try having to listen to someone using the restroom while dictating! My physician does it quite frequently!

Sue Shiply, MT - MT, Hospital June 2, 2008 12:34 PM
Dallas TX

I think this would pique everyone's interest:

The medical transcription department kick starts the revenue!

WE BEGIN THE REVENUE PROCESS!

No one can get to work (coders, QA, ROI, payors, Medicare) until we provide the quality, professional transcription to them.

Document your TAT from the software program you use and educate.  For example, do they know that, in general, it takes three times the amount of minutes of dictation to transcribe the document?

And you're right, pointing out the obvious usually only makes one defensive.  We all have horror stories.  You should have been around when we used typewriters!!!

It is very unfortunate this article didn't come out last week, during National Medical Transcription Week.  

Jet, , Transcriptionist Hospital June 2, 2008 11:28 AM
WA

Several doctors dictate their reports from home... with a whole pack of DOGS BARKING!  Little yippy ones.  Bigger ones.  You name it.  I'd trade the dogs for a purring cat!  LOL.

Pam Maltzman, At-Home MT (IC) May 30, 2008 9:12 AM
Lancaster CA

Aside from gum chewing, one of the rudest things I've ever heard a dictator do while dictating was make rude comments about a patient's wife... this was obviously part of the letter he was sending to another doctor.  He basically thought she was an ogre, and didn't hesitate to tell the other doctor what he thought.  I was appalled.  

Pam , At-Home MT (IC) May 30, 2008 9:11 AM
Lancaster CA

I've already written a LTE to Advance which may appear in the next issue, but you totally left out the most disgusting noises I've experienced... GUM CHEWING!! And a close second... cough drop/hard candy sucking!!  These are much worse than the sounds of merely eating a burger or slurping a drink.  The sounds of raw vegetables crunching come in at about third place in this disgusting competition.

Years ago, chewing gum in a professional business environment was considered bad form and just a low-class habit... nowadays it's really hard to get the heck away from it.  And if you ask the offending chewer to tone it down, more than likely they will instead redouble their efforts to be obnoxious.

I have had doctors dictate while driving through a tunnel (at least that's what it sounds like), but *so far* have not been "treated" to the sound of a toilet flushing or the guy farting (though have heard about it from other MTs).

Oh, yeah, and all this is ON TOP of the usual problems with getting the dictators to speak more clearly.

Pam, At-home MT (IC) May 30, 2008 9:08 AM
Lancaster CA

Oh my favorite things to hear are generally moments when the doctor is talking to someone else in the room, these are generally the times when you learn the most about the doctor as a person. The candid moments are the ones that generally make me laugh the most.

Probably the most surprising one for me was hearing a doctor describe to someone in the room giving a patient happy pills or the female doctor who decided to go into great deal about how another doctor on staff was a sexist pig, it was quite entertaining.

I do have horror stories about doctors dictating while driving, riding on a train, eating candy, yelling at their kids, I could go on and on.  Probably the worst are doctors who have pets. There is one doctor who has a cat who is the loudest purring thing I've ever heard. She must sit on the doctor's shoulder while she dictates because it's really loud and often drowns out the doctor's voice. Another doctor I type for has a very loud bird that is in the near vicinity that likes to whistle and chirp the entire time he is dictating.

Oh transcription can be soooo much fun.

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Shannon, MT May 27, 2008 9:26 AM
ID

I have had doctors dictate while cursing, making any kind of noise to keep the recorder going (when it's voice activitated), talking about one of the transcriptionists to another doctor while live for dictation, talking about other doctors while life for dictation, ruffling papers, driving while dictating, dictating in a very windy situation (like by the ocean), whispering, etc. I too like ESL dictators. In operation reports, they dictate the exact thing every time with the patient name changes, artery changes, etc. Once you get a particular doctor done, you can copy and paste the procedure into every other one of the same type or set up macros. It's great for line count. I'm now a coder, but my first love has always been transcription. I took the coding position for a promotion. Getting promotions within the federal government is difficult when you're a transcriptionist.

Dianne, Coding all specialities - Outpatient Coder, Naval Hospital May 20, 2008 7:31 AM
Camp Lejeune NC

Well, I can't imagine why a bunch of MTs haven't piled on here to commiserate because this is one of those topics that always sets off a mass of stories. Maybe (like me), they just can't narrow it down to just one. I've had all the bodily noises, shrieking kids and patients, and other chaos. Loads of docs who like to answer their cell phones and yak into both receivers at once, one who likes to dictate in the ER bay when ambulances and the guy with a leaf blower mosey in and out (no, he never stops dictating until it's quiet), and I'm still marveling at the guy who conversed for the majority of a STAT report with his salesman about how he could shave a few more dollars off that $500,000 Cessna.

Oddly enough, I love my ESL dictators best of all because they at least KNOW it can be hard to understand them and most make an effort to enunciate carefully and spell odd words now and then. It's the lackadaisical white dudes who give me the most problems--the ones who not only slur through their exams at lightning speed whilst hardly opening their mouths because gee, THEY'VE heard it a million times, so why not skip to every tenth consonant and get this over with?

There was actually a really good book written for dictators that was put online last year, called <a href="http://dictationtherapyfordoctors.blogspot.com/2007/09/start.html" target="_blank">Dictation Therapy for Doctors</a>

Jeanne Johnston May 10, 2008 6:35 AM

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