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Wanna Buy a Credential?

Published March 24, 2013 3:16 PM by Glen McDaniel

Since the ASCP took over the popular and progressive NCA in 2009, I have periodically received emails from medical lab professionals not happy with the merger for various reasons.  Prompted by this overwhelming response, I have previously blogged about this subject. I have also addressed the mixed response to the move.

Recently I have been receiving emails again, but in much larger numbers this time around. One particularly distressed email writer  has prompted  me to address the issue once more. This laboratorian (an NCA certificant with credentials converted to MLS by ASCP) indicated that she missed the February deadline for recertification with ASCP and received a dunning letter telling her she was no longer licensed (sic) by ASCP.

She is currently unemployed and is worried that when she applies for a job and a prospective employer  tries to verify her credentials they will see that NCA is defunct and ASCP will say she is "not licensed."

To address her issue I first have to reiterate that those of us in the profession often misuse and/or misunderstand 3 terms with very different meanings.  The uses of "licensed/not licensed" above are direct quotes from this lady.

Certification is a voluntary credential offered by a nongovernmental agency. Generally you have to have a certain academic qualification and may need to sit an exam. On meeting those requirements, you get certified. The most common certifications we have been familiar with over the years include MT, CLS and now MLS (and related credentials). All these are voluntary even if industry standards say you must have those to have a reasonably good chance of getting hired.  Credentials are not mandatory

Licensure is a governmental requirement that an  individual must  meet in order to carry out an activity. Think about a hunting license or a driver's license. It is illegal to carry out certain activities without them. There are only a few states that currently have professional licensure for medical lab science. States may choose to offer their own exams, they may accept licensure from another state (reciprocity or waiver); or they may even choose to "deem" a certification as equivalent to licensure. In any event, if you dont have a piece of paper from the state, you do not have a license.

You must have a license to practice in the state, you must renew your license periodically, it can be revoked, it can expire and you can be criminally charged if you practice without it. Think about physicians, attorneys, nurses, pharmacists to understand this concept.

The lady referenced above, like many laboratorians I have talked to, incorrectly refer to an ASCP "license."  The ASCP is not a state of the union. You cannot be forced to get an MT, MLT or MLS and will not be arrested and charged if you try to work without an ASCP credential.

Membership is voluntary association with like individuals for a common good. Think of the Boy Scouts or your church or social club. There are some requirements for membership, but joining is voluntary and (generally) so is the option to discontinue membership. Membership may address common interests, but does not offer any special professional right to practice. You can practice whether you are a member of an organization or not.

What complicates matters is that over the years several professional entities have "double dipped" and tried to offer both certification and membership e.g. ASCP and AMT. It is important to realize these organizations have chosen to  offer 2 services each. The defunct NCA offered just certification (and recertification through demonstrated competency). It did not offer membership. ASCLS offers membership only; it does not offer certification.

The distress of my correspondents (the lady above is only one of several) is that ASCP is now threatening to revoke their certification unless they pay a fee. If an employer inquires and a credentialed individual has not sent in their check, ASCP will indicate the lapsed individual is "invalid" and not certified.

Think about your college telling you if you don't contribute to their alumni fund you can no longer claim to have a bachelor's degree from the college. ASCP says give me a couple hundred dollars (for recertification and reinstatement) or you can no longer use our credentials after your name. Without it we will tell those who enquire that you are not certified.

It seems to me a more accurate and honest designation would be "lapsed" or "did not recertify" or  even "not currently on active register."

Without this distinction (not certified versus credentialed but not currently paid up), I am totally sympathetic to those who see recertification as a financial burden (separate from competency assurance);  or a demand to pay for the privilege of using a credential. If you don't pay, you cannot use the credential which you earned honestly. It is difficult to choose not to pay up because without the credential it is difficult to obtain or retain a job.

This is surely an emotional subject if the individuals emailing me are typical. What's your take on this issue?

28 comments

In New York state we have to have a license and no one likes to pay.  Everyone complains, but at least you know that only real MT/MLS will be working beside you. That is why I think the license is worth it. It is to protect us as professionals and  also to protect the  patient.

I have friends and relatives who are nurses and pharmacists. We all passed our boards after college. Now we all pay for our licences, we have to renew our license and we all get to work legally. That makes perfect sense.

As far as ASCP or any other organization. I think once you pass the boards the title is yours. You passed it, how can they take it away? They should not charge you just to keep using the title. That is crazy! I think it is all a money game.

I can say I have a NY license to work. With your ASCP it does not guarantee you anything and you could be "old ASCP" with no continuing education or "new ASCP" with CEUs and paid up dues. What's the difference to an employer? Nothing, except one costs you money and requires work on your behalf. The other one costs you nothing but have the same benefits.

This is another reason w eneed license all over the country to avoid craziness like this from different organizations that just want your money for basically nothing. If you pay you should have something to show for it.

Bola Olatende April 26, 2013 4:18 PM
Brooklyn NY

Thank you Ms Tanabe for responding on behalf of ASCP. I still have more questions than answers though.

To most people ASCP is ASCP. I didnt know there was like  a member branch and a certification division. That is very good, but I bet most folks dont know that.

The other thing is that it seems strange to me hat you all would require only SOME people to become MLS/CM.  That makes it seem like 2 different classes. So the more recent people have to keep up to date but the older folks dont need to do anything to remain ASCP.  You could help by having a cut off date for everyone to get up to speed. Everyone should have to become MLS. That would be fair and less confusing too.

Also you still offer MT (ASCPi) not MLS to foreign trained people. My understanding is that many people overseas  use the name biomedical science or medical lab science. They dont use medical technology. So why not make MLS the new title for everyone (old, new, US citizens, foreigners) instead of still using some MT and some MLS. That is confusing.

The last thing is I dont know how you can legally remove someone's title that they have earned just because they dont pay their fees.  This is especially unfair when the old MT(ASCP) dont have to do anythingt o keep their title for life.

Please respond. Thank you.

Robert C. April 25, 2013 12:34 PM
Fort Lauderdale FL

I like the idea of AMT for the most part.  Now that they finally accept a bachelors degree they are on par with the rest of the professional organizations. I dont like that they seem to certify so many professions. But they are med techs, which is good. So I think they could do the profession a  huge favor by taking over where NCA left off.

AMT, why not accept all the old NCA folks as AMT members. You could change the name to CLS for everyone (both old NCA CLS members and the current MT/AMT people). You could even accept MT/ASCP. That way you could have a HUGE organization of CLS. Standardize the name and unify the profession. From now on call your exams CLS and CLT exams.

So AMT would make money and most of us in the profession would be happy. They would give ASCP a run for their money at less cost and the name CLS would become the ONE name of the profession and be well known.

The current AMT members (at least the lab folks) would have nothing to fear. They can be grandfathered and get to use  the same title as everyone else CLS and CLT. The non-lab people (medical assistant, med record clerks, dental assistants eetc etc) would not be affected in any way

Hey AMT you listening? How about that? Sounds like a win/win to me.

Miranda T April 11, 2013 5:33 PM

The following is a response to the comments posted regarding the ASCP Board of Certification from W. Rae Rader, MPA, PA(ASCP)CM – Chair, ASCP BOC Board of Governors and

Patricia A. Tanabe, MPA, MLS(ASCP)CM, Executive Director , ASCP BOC

The ASCP Board of Certification (BOC) has long been concerned with improving the initial certification process and assuring the continued competence of medical laboratory personnel. The 2004 ASCP BOC Certification Maintenance Program (CMP) grew out of our 1997 voluntary competency recognition program. The goal of the CMP is to demonstrate to the public that laboratory professionals with this designation are performing activities to stay current in their practice. Individuals certified after January 1, 2004 in entry-level categories and after January 1, 2006, in specialist and diplomat level categories are required to participate in certification maintenance in order to maintain their certification status. Certification maintenance requires demonstration of continuing education requirements. The Certification Maintenance Program is designed to complement and support the existing and emerging continuing competence requirements of regulatory entities, employers and external accrediting bodies.  Certification is now time limited. If you fail to maintain your credential through continuing education your certification will expire. (www.ascp.org/cmp)

The ASCP BOC is the only certifying body of laboratory professionals accredited by ANSI under ISO 17024. In 2007, ASCP BOC MLS, MLS/MT and PBT certification programs were accredited by ANSI. Today, all 20 of our US certification programs are accredited through ANSI. ANSI requires continuing education as part of a certifying body’s program to determine continued competence.  

On July 21, 2009, the ASCP Board of Registry (BOR) and the National Credentialing Agency for Laboratory Personnel (NCA) signed an agreement forming a single certification agency for medical laboratory professionals. The newly formed agency is called the ASCP Board of Certification (BOC). The ASCP BOC is an administratively independent organization (as was the ASCP Board of Registry) with a Board of Governors (BOG), who is the final authority on all certification decisions. The majority of the members on the BOG are non-physicians, as the board has been for over 30 years. The BOC Board of Governors is composed of 3 Sponsoring Societies (ASCP, ASCLS and AGT), 8 Participating Societies and one public member. All of the laboratory professional societies on the board have membership functions. ASCP BOC is a credentialing organization (certification, certification maintenance and verification) and does not have membership or education functions as this would be in conflict with our ANSI accreditation. (http://www.ascp.org/Functional-Nav/About-the-Board-of-Certification)

Patricia Tanabe, MPA, MLS(ASCP)CM, Board of Certification - Executive Director, ASCP April 11, 2013 2:07 PM
Chicago IL

So, does this mean if you're ASCP you belong to a "higher class" and if AMT "lower class" kind???....... Say, most of the AMT'ers have a Bachelor degrees in MT can't they be the same level as the ASCP'ers?? (MLS/MT)?.......... I was only wondering, why is there's a lot of certification for MT........   I just only wish that ASCP also too AMT just like in NCA.....

tin, MT April 10, 2013 12:20 AM
winter haven FL

I am a CLT, NCA on the job trained in the mid-seventies.  Few, medical lab. personnel were willing to relocate to our reservation.   Several, individuals, including myself started training as medical lab. techs. on a volunteer basis, our noon meals were provided by the hospital.  I did not consider myself to be a dog in training, only someone who would be able to provide  needed services to my native people.

In 1985, I, took the NCA (CLT) exam to prove to myself my abilities as a lab. tech. NCA did not require MONEY (MEGA) for membership in their organization, just continuing education.

I have challenged the HHS MT exam, failed by two points.

In my years, as a lab. tech. I WITNESSED some certified lab. personnel, who have made mistakes, made questionable decisions. These individuals accepted, unacceptable specimens for analysis, just to avoid conflict with nurses, and doctors.

Many, ASCP, MLTs, MTs, have given me remarks, that they were better than all other lab personnel.  AMT certified techs. I have worked with are not as bad as ASCP certified.  

I, Thank the Med. Tech, who was certified MT, ASCP, who trained me to be a Lab. Tech. She knew, the needs of the remote area at the time.  

Thank You, Glenda Price, and (NCA), you had a good organization.

When I passed the exam, I walked with confidence in ME.

AND

I STILL HAD SOME MONEY IN MY POCKET.

leonard April 4, 2013 12:50 PM
fort defiance AZ

I am a CLT, NCA on the job trained in the mid-seventies.  Few, medical lab. personnel were willing to relocate to our reservation.   Several, individuals, including myself started training as medical lab. techs. on a volunteer basis, our noon meals were provided by the hospital.  I did not consider myself to be a dog in training, only someone who would be able to provide  needed services to my native people.

In 1985, I, took the NCA (CLT) exam to prove to myself my abilities as a lab. tech. NCA did not require MONEY (MEGA) for membership in their organization, just continuing education.

I have challenged the HHS MT exam, failed by two points.

In my years, as a lab. tech. I WITNESSED some certified lab. personnel, who have made mistakes, made questionable decisions. These individuals accepted, unacceptable specimens for analysis, just to avoid conflict with nurses, and doctors.

Many, ASCP, MLTs, MTs, have given me remarks, that they were better than all other lab personnel.  AMT certified techs. I have worked with are not as bad as ASCP certified.  

I, Thank the Med. Tech, who was certified MT, ASCP, who trained me to be a Lab. Tech. She knew, the needs of the remote area at the time.  

Thank You, Glenda Price, and (NCA), you had a good organization.

When I passed the exam, I walked with confidence in ME.

AND

I STILL HAD SOME MONEY IN MY POCKET.

leonard April 4, 2013 12:24 PM
fort defiance AZ

I've been ASCP for the duration, mainly because it seemed like the most common certification at the time and the Med Tech program I attended encouraged this one. I believe that ASCP began requiring continuing education for anyone certified after 2004. The merger with NCA and ASCP occurred in 2009 (as far as I can tell).  I think ASCP had already moved to requiring continuing education for their own certification prior to merging with NCA and just kept the NCA requirements as they had always been. I actually think ASCP should require continuing ed for all their certifications, pre-2004. In a field such as ours, I believe continuing education is very important and should be required.

We have state licensure and state required continuing education, but I haven't paid the extra money to ASCP to get the "CM" after my name, even though I have the continuing ed.

Michael, MT(ASCP) April 4, 2013 7:39 AM
Nashville TN

Thank you for writing this. This is a very important and interesting subject.

I agree with Jon 100%. ASCP just changed itself to get NCA to close. Then once they got all the NCA folks ASCP created different rules for former NCA credential holders. They just want  a cash cow.  Many MT(ASCP) individuals can continue to use their credential from 50 years ago without paying a dime or doing 1 hour of CEU. How unfair is that.

Renee also hit the nail on the head. Does the public know their hairdresser, contractor, plumber (and virtually) everyone they see in their doctor's office must have  a license but the person who tests their sample and gives life-or-death yes/no, disease/no disease results does not need  a license?

Belinda Carter, CLS April 2, 2013 9:01 PM

Warren: You are correct. Some things get lost sometimes in rushing to press or in editing. The titles MT, CLS and MLS are NOT organizations, but, rather, are the credentials offered by certification /credentialing agencies.

Glen McDaniel April 2, 2013 8:52 PM
Atlanta GA

The fact that ASCP prior to merging with NCA, never had continuing education mandatory, and once the MLT or MT got their certificate they could use that title ad infinitum, even without paying their annual dues; still allows their MT's to use MT(ASCP) and NOT REQUIRE the CM like they do everyone else since NCA merger, shows the lack of unity within their own organization.

I also get the "feeling" that MT's consider MLT's less in the scheme of laboratory science.  The MLT's know  how to perform all the testing that the MT does.  Let's not belittle them. We may have more theory, but what good is that really in the workplace?

I totally agree that we all should unite, and be one voice, one certification, and maybe then be able to assert our ideas better and pressure the Pathologist's hold to lessen in the Clinical Laboratory.  We should be like the Nurses with one ALN, or NLN,  not 4 or 5 different agencies trying to tout that they represent our best interests.  

John J Havholm, MLS(ASCP) CLT(HHS) CLS(NCA), Technical Consultant - MLS(ASCP) CLT(HHS) CLS(NCA), Synergy Labs April 2, 2013 6:58 PM
Las Vegas NV

Glen states: "Certification agencies we have been familiar with over the years include MT, CLS and now MLS (and related credentials)."

Did you leave out the agencies and substitute in their place the credentials that they offer?

Warren Coffin, Clinical Laboratory - Clinical Laboratory Scientist, CKHS, Taylor Hospital April 2, 2013 12:06 PM
Ridley Park PA

CLIA's new take on licensure and certifcation makes the point moot unless one works in a state where a laboratory license is required. Those of us who 'survey' (often read as 'inspect') labs have been directed to accept only educational documentation, not certificates or licenses. In other words, for moderately complex testing one must have the minimum of a high school diploma, GED or transcripts w/date of graduation on file. For highly complex testing, the associate or bachelor degree in laboratory science or transcripts with the requisite number of credits in bilology, chemistry, and other sciences. And of course, documentation of training and competency for all.

Kathie Rezek, Laboratory Medicine - Clinical Surveyor, COLA April 2, 2013 8:45 AM
Lake St Louis MO

Very pertinent topic here. It is amazing to me that in the state of NJ where I work, one needs a license to cut hair (no offense to hair stylists) but not to work as tech in the laboratory.  I believe that the lack of standardization in mandatory licensure has led to frustration in the laboratory field due to lack of respect & knowedge about what it takes to be competent & work in the clinical laboratory.  Also wages have remained stagnant, causing people to leave the field.  

Renee Sowders, lab POC coordintaor - medical technologist, Medical Group April 2, 2013 8:37 AM
Marlton NJ

MY MAGNANIMOUS RANDOM THOUGHT:

1.) PHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHTHOAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHALOAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHGHISTHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

Credentials:

1.) RMT- studied hardiest after college

2.) AMT- studied hardier

3.) RT (CSMLS)- studied hard

4.) MLS (ASCP)- hardly study- will never renew!

THE SAME OLD SONG DIFFERENT TUNE. HOPELESS! HOPELESS!

                                                                       HOPELESS!

E V, Laboratory Scientist April 1, 2013 8:56 PM
OK

I will just say 4 simple things and be done:

1. We need to choose one name and go with it. Our use of various names (MT, CLS, MLS, tech, lab tech, Med tech etc etc.)  continue to confuse employers. Even those in the profession seem to be confused

2. We need diffeerent scope of practice based on education and credential.  Why do some employers use MLTs/CLTs just like MTs/CLSs? Think about the task you need done and hire accordingly.

3. Until there is licensure there will be folks who will go the easier cheaper route. Why pay more, when you can pay uncertified folks less?

4. Slavery was abolished a long time ago. Why do some of us still choose to let doctors (a different profession completely) control us. Can you imagine if someone tried to control doctors?  

Ever since I heard that ASCP was taking over NCA and changing the name I have wondered why another organization does not take over all the CLS. The name is well known and is very popular now.

We dont need to create  a new name. We just need someone  to grandfather the old  NCA folks and then continue from there certifying more CLS/CLTs. Leave ASCP to their mess.

Janet Alarcon, CLS April 1, 2013 4:11 PM
Baltimore MD

I am ASCP member and have never recertified or whatever they call it. I use my MT(ASCP) after my name. I also know other colleagues who do that.

It seems to me ASCP has started something new. They never asked me to renew anything and dont charge me. I passed my ASCP boards in 1971. My colleagues around the same age dont have to pay any fees either. No one questioned our ASCP title. Times have changed I know. But it does not sound right to ask for a fee every year to keep using ASCP and I cant imagine why only some people have to pay it.

Is Christopher saying that AMT does the same too? Do they take your title away if you dont pay annual dues?

Time to retire with all this craziness.

Anonymous March 29, 2013 4:07 PM

Christopher:

Thanks for weighing in on this matter which, as you can see from the responses, is a very sensitive and passionate issue to hard working laboratorians.

I thought it important to once again distinguish among terms which are often used interchangeably and therefore add to the  confusion of employers and HR folks who are outside of the profession.

AMT does offer 2 services which are distinct in nature, definition and purpose; many professionals (inside and outside of healthcare) receive membership and credentialing services from separate organizations. AMT is also a little unique because it has both laboratorian and nonlaboratorian members despite the "MT" part of its moniker.

I was extremely happy when AMT became accredited by NCCA because it requires adherence to specific standards for both  certification and re-certification. NCCA is concerned with ensuring true professional competence, in my view.

AMT is also not controlled by members of another profession. That is a hugely important distinction from ASCP. Requirement of the bachelor's degree as benchmark for the MT/CLS/MLS level practitioner also brings AMT in line with other organizations.

My sense is that professionals are proud of demonstrating their competence and will gladly pay as long as they can be assured an organization is looking out for the interests of its members/certificants and is offering value for money.

"No taxation without representation and value," is what I am hearing laboratorians say.

Glen McDaniel March 29, 2013 3:58 PM
Atlanta GA

Thanks, Glen, for the helpful reminder on the differences between licensure and certification.%0d%0a%0d%0aTo respond to some of the other commentary in your post:  AMT certainly doesn’t view itself as somehow “double-dipping.”  AMT strongly advocates continuing professional development throughout a certificant’s career and we therefore combine membership and certification into one package. While other organizations, in addition to a separate membership fee, charge a fee at the time of recertification, AMT simply asks for an annual maintenance fee, which includes a host of membership benefits along with it. As far as recertification goes, AMT is accredited by the National Commission for Certifying Agencies (NCCA) and as such we are required to have a recertification program in place – recertification certainly it is not some kind of a scheme to extract monies from our certified population but part of the credentialing industry’s efforts to ensure continued competency among professional practitioners.%0d%0a%0d%0aI might also add the reminder, particularly in light of some of the responses to your post, that one of the principles on which AMT was founded in 1939 was the notion that there was value in having a self-governing organization of medical technologists. Everyone on AMT’s Board of Directors (except for our public member) is an allied health professional, mostly medical technologists but also three medical assistants, we are not under the umbrella of an MD-pathologist organization and have deliberately chosen not to be.  Also, AMT has for a number of years now adhered to the standard that a baccalaureate degree is a mandatory minimal education requirement for the credential of medical technologist:  MT (AMT).%0d%0a

Christopher Damon, , Executive Director American Medical Technologists March 27, 2013 3:14 PM
Rosemont IL

ASCP has always used great marketing. First they market themselves as the best, then they downplay everyone else.

It was only a matter of time before they drove NCA out of business. ASCP is run by pathologists, CAP is run by pathologists, labs are run by pathologists. So guess who will win everytime?

We had a shot of governing ourselves with NCA but then we let ASCP shut that down.

Gary in AZ is not the only one who is confused. ASCP has added to the confusion with MT, MLS,  SBB, C, MT (i) and many more.  If we cant keep it straight how will employers?  I have  a friend who was an MLT and then got her MT. She had a hard time with HR the first year because she did not renew her MLT.  The policy was to renew whatever paper certification had expired and she happened to become MT allowing her MLT to expire. They had no idea MT is a higher form of MLT. Hellooo!

Now  ASCP allows some  folks to  keep the MT (ASCP) while others are MLS. This is the same certification mind you. I know even employers (lab managers and directors) who dont know that. One new MLS I know had to change her certificate to MT on her application because that is what the job asked for.

The lady who offered her a job at a big Atlanta hospital accused her of lying on her application because she said MT(ASCP) and then turned up with her MLS certificate  at the interview. She had to get a letter from ASCP explaining her MLS (ASCP) was basically MT(ASCP).  Crazy!

Janiene Taylor March 26, 2013 12:20 PM
Atlanta GA

Richard and Robert:

OJT training can be OK sometimes. But there is no standard. there are lots of people out there with knowledge equivalent to a bachelor's or an MLS or whatever. But without some kind of standardized training and testing you cannot be sure they really are.

Miriam March 25, 2013 8:00 PM
Washington DC

To Robert: "That is like training a dog  to do tricks." I've heard that ridiculous remark way to often in reference to OJT.

1. It implies that lab testing can be accomplished by performing simple procedures that don't require technique,thought, judgement etc. That's not true.

2. It implies that education isn't part of OJT. Not true.

A good job performance evaluation includes how competent a person can physically perform a task, think independently and judge a procedures' validity. Here is your standard.

A good OJT program provides education with manipulation of apparatus. Here is your continuing education.

OJT is easier to update, making it more flexible and more progressive.

To be sure, a base of virtually unchanging knowledge is needed to start, but the majority of competency is reflected on the job, by a good job performance evaluation.

The trouble with our profession is not "saying we just need to be able to do the job", it's having one authority telling us they don't care if we passed an exam to prove competency given by a different authority, in order to work we must pass their exam because they're better. I am comfortable with the federal government's authority. I believe the DHHS has the best resources available to decide competency. I know this belief is not popular, but I think we need to trust in our own elections.

Richard Oost, MT(HHS) MLT(ASCP) March 25, 2013 3:15 PM
Naples FL

Tiin in Winter Haven. I dont understand your question. What does that mean? You want AMT lab directors not to accept ASCP? ASCP pathologist are way too poweful for that to happen. If you  mean  why AMT did not join with with ASSCP liek NCA did I think ASCP did not want them. Not all AMT techs have degrees. ASCP would not go for that.

To Richard: You mean it's OK to take a high school kid or medical assistant and train them to do lab test? You might get an exceptional one who can do the test you train them to do. That is like training a dog  to do tricks. But we do need some standards- we need both education and certification.  We need continuing education also.

Saying we just need to be able to DO on the job is why we are in so much trouble as a profession. What about thinking? Making judgment calls etc??

That being said I think ASCP is just arrogant to even think they are better than any other organization.

Robert Tulane, CLS March 25, 2013 10:51 AM
Flint MI

What I wonder about is all the different certification categories , for example, technologist in Chem, Hemo, etc.. Doesn't MLS certification cover all those? Or is just those that only want certification in those areas? Or is like the SBB with specialized training?

Gary Brown, Lab - MT March 25, 2013 7:53 AM
Glendale AZ

Can ASCP unified with AMT too???...... So that AMT'ers will not take ASCP for requirement purposes on job hunting...... Just a thought!

tin, MT March 24, 2013 11:25 PM
winter haven FL

Certifications or licensures are a weak and misleading measure of competency. Verifiable JOB PERFORMANCE should be the gold standard for competency. However, I think many educational institutions fear such a standard might exclude them. My suggestion to them is lose the protectionism and promote the truth.

Richard Oost, MT(HHS), MLT(ASCP) March 24, 2013 9:25 PM
Naples FL

I am not sure that is legal. How can ASCP say you are not ASCP if you are. I dont think we should let them get away with that mess. It is kind of ironic that ASCP resisted continuing education for a long time. Only NCA required CEUs to re-register. They really cared about continued competency.

ASCP was registration for life. You never had to crack open a book to keep your registration. Now they are going the other way. Money scheme?

Jacob T, MTll March 24, 2013 6:45 PM
Louisville KY

What a scam. I was totally against that unification. We all want unity but those of us who have been around for awhile know what ASCP is like.

They are run by pathologists and have fought AMT, ASCLS and other organizations. They want to run the lab and have techs as inferior.

Most lab organizations broke away from ASCP over the years,  so why do you ASCP  would be any better now? It's all about money for the pathologists and no power for the med techs.

NCA people should have held on to their NCA certificate. it's better to say your organization (NCA) is no longer around but was a strong legitimate organization. I still work with HHS techs although HHS is long gone.  Why trade  in  your good certification to a group like ASCP who offer nothing but take your money. Then they have the nerve to say if you dont keep paying they will take it away.

Sounded like a scam from the start and it has turned out to be exactly that.

Janice Allison, MT March 24, 2013 4:54 PM
Bethesda MD

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