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Copay collection dilemma

Published August 19, 2009 10:43 AM by Lorettajo Kapinos

Most insurance companies require a copay for different types of appointments, including ER visits.  This seems reasonable enough, and most of the rules, depending on the particular policy make sense.  But now that the hospital I work in attempts to collect these copays before discharge, the inequalities of our health care system are becoming more clear to me.

Every ER has what staff call "regulars."  These patients come in day after day, sometimes more than once a day for something-usually pain medication.  Other regulars seek food, shelter or want human companionship.  And still more come in under the influence of drugs or alcohol.  They do not have a copay because they are uninsured.

Now, take the family who has brought their son in after he fell off the swing.  It's swollen, bruised and painful to the touch.  It may be broken or sprained.  Most doctor's offices do not have X-ray machines or the ability to fix a broken bone.   This family needs to be in the ER.  They will be asked for a copay prior to discharge.

Why does this bother me?  Well, for one, I see so many parents stressed because they can't pay the copay.  They weren't planning on visiting the ER, unlike a doctor's visit that is scheduled.  And many didn't know that their insurance company requires a copay for visits to the ER.  They assumed that because they have insurance, everything is covered.  Now they are starting to worry that none or little of the visit may be covered.  Forget the broken kid...how are they going to pay for this?

And it delays discharge.  Everything about the ER is waiting, something many people don't realize.  During busy times, everyone waits to be triaged, and then to be seen, and then to be treated.  After treatment, we discharge the patient home, if appropriate.  Prior to discharge, however, I now have to wait for the copay to be collected.  Again, the families wait.

On the hand, if people knew they had a copay to visit the ER would they take it more seriously?  Would they begin to redefine reasons to come in?  I doubt it.  The ones who abuse the system rarely have to pay for it.  And the purpose of the copay is not punishment, but a way to help offset the cost of care delivered.  Collecting copays is one way for our department to increase revenue.  And I am hearing that it's working.

I think what bothers me is the fact that I am a nurse, not a cashier.  No, I am not responsible for the exchange of money, but I do have to let the families know why they are waiting.  And the look of additional distress on their faces rips me to shreds.  The ER, for most is not a pleasant experience and now they have a financial burden to bear, on top of a health related one.  It does not make sense to me, especially when I see so many people flow in and out of that ER without needing to fork over one dime. 

I wonder, how many other ERs collect copays?  And how does it work for them?  How do you feel about it?  And if you are a patient, do you expect to be charged while still in the department?  I'd love to hear thoughts on the subject.



6 comments

Get over your feelings and don't bleed for these individuals that use the ER and never have to pay. Hurray for co-pays. People need to be more responsible with their healthcare and stop flocking to the ER because they don't want to pay at a walk in clinic so they can have more money for their cell phones, drugs and alcohol.. Poor families that have to wait as the parents check in with their snotty nose children to be seen with runny nose and sore throat for a week. Learn how the system works before your poor heart breaks for these people......

J G, ER - RN September 8, 2009 11:20 AM
FL

Thank you everyone for great feedback.  It's always good to hear options and ideas and thoughts from the other side.

Lorettajo Kapinos September 7, 2009 3:21 PM

I've worked for years as an RN prior to a migrainous infarction. I utilize the ER only as a last resort. I'm currently on disability. As voiced early, ER visits are unexpected and no planned into the budget.

As an RN, my physicians pretty much let me decide when I need to go to the ER. I just need to let them know I'm going there. Collecting co-pays at time of discharge would make me hesitate to go to the ER when I know that is where I belong. This means when I do eventually hit the hospital, I've gone in by ambulance and am much sicker and in for a longer hospital stay. However, at least the medical care is affordable. Talk about a horrible choice to make.

Susan Raffensperger, Freelance Writer - RN September 1, 2009 6:54 PM
Lititz PA

I work on the business side of healthcare, and EVERYONE is moving into the POS cash collections area, places that have never asked are moving to the practice of being more diligent to collect. While I understand the bleeding heart concept and it is a difficult time it is education to the patient who then unerstands how the insurance they pay for works etc.

N August 25, 2009 9:28 AM

 I know the feelings we have as nurse. I have a $75 deductable, and now plan very carefully my trip to the ER. I utilize my primary much more now. Our facility does not "hold" the patient until they pay, and the only comment I feel I need to make is to tell the patient, or responsible party, that even if they put a couple of dollars down, the bill will be cut for them. The homeless, psychiatric, and illegal patients go on their merry way, without a thought or care in the world about any payment. So that's where our raises, cost of living increase, 401K goes.

Mary, hospital - LPN August 22, 2009 10:01 AM
Dade City FL

We provide a service that everyone loves by allowing patients to pay their co-pay on their phone bills. The most they can be billed per month is $100 and they receive the bill with their regular home or cell phone bill from their phone company. Sounds different but a much better solution for our client hospital then having staff collect on site.

Dennis, Medical Billing - President, onePatientBill.com August 19, 2009 1:56 PM
Metro Washington DC

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    Lorettajo Kapinos, BSN, RN
    Occupation: Registered Nurse
    Setting: Western Massachusetts
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