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Common Canister Policy Concerns

Published August 10, 2012 9:47 AM by Brent Holland
Brent Holland, RRTRespiratory directors and hospital administrators across the country are constantly on the prowl for new ways to save money or increase revenue. One gold mine taking the country by storm is the practice known as "common canister". For those of you not familiar with it, allow me to explain.

In a nutshell, the practice goes like this: Patient John Doe arrives in the emergency room. Upon admit to the floors, the physician has ordered Duoneb Q6 hours. The patient does not take nebulizers at home. Upon initial assessment by the RRT, it is determined that the patient is capable of doing a 5 second inspiratory hold. Therefore, the patient ("per protocol") is converted automatically to Combivent MDI Q6. Unless the patient is in isolation, they do not receive their own MDI. A "common canister" is loaded into the drawer of the Pyxis. Each patient is given their own spacer that is kept at the bedside. When doing rounds, the RRT goes to the Pyxis and removes the canister and charges the prescribed number of puffs to the patient. The canister is cleaned with an alcohol swab and then the same canister is used for the other patients on the floor who also have been automatically converted to MDI as opposed to the physician-ordered nebulizer.

Assuming a MDI holds 200 puffs (and thus charging $30-$50 per puff to many patients), this results in added revenue to the bottom line. Also, assuming that it takes much less time to administer the MDI than a nebulizer, hospitals can theoretically save money on FTEs. While this is not the case for smaller hospitals, larger hospitals can in fact work with fewer staff if the policy is to convert almost everyone to the more profitable MDI that you can charge 10 or 20 patients for as opposed to the single dose nebulizer that you can only charge one patient for.

(When I first heard about this, I was seriously waiting for the punch line because I was confident that it was some kind of joke.)

Now, hospitals will be very fast to point out that the practice is safe and legal if it is done correctly. (And they would be correct.) However, a few things that I think hospitals are quick to not factor into the equation are:

1) The fact of the matter is, hospital staff are not as compliant as we would like to think they are when it comes to infection control. Also, just wiping with an alcohol swab is not enough. You actually have to wipe it and then let it air dry before you recap it since it is the exposure time to the alcohol and the evaporation time that kills organisms. So, if study after study shows that staff do not even wash their hands at a good compliant rate, realistically what hope is there that staff will clean these MDIs at a compliant rate?

2) Hospitals will be fast to tell you that "studies show" that the risk of infection is low. While this is technically true, I would respectfully respond by saying that a) only about three studies exist on the issue and all of them are of very small number of patients (one of them was only 48 patients). So, it is hardly fair to claim that the jury is in on this issue when in fact there are no large studies on the issue yet.

3) Also, something else that is not being factored in is the hospital readmission rate. If John Doe was to be given his OWN MDI upon admit (that then got labeled and sent home with him at discharge) then he has a lower chance of being readmitted for the same issue a few days later.

4) Despite the infection control practice that takes place (or is supposed to)... I think our patients would be MORTIFIED if they knew the same MDI we bring them was also being used on every patient on the floor. (Even most of the nursing staff does not know that this practice is taking place.)

Again, I understand that hospitals are trying to save every dime. But, what is next? If a patient in the ER is on an IV drip of normal saline and then gets sent home and 400 ml remains in the bag...should we use a new IV set up but hook it up to the old liter of IV fluid so that we can bill both patients for the same bag of IV fluid? (Just food for thought.)

Despite my own beliefs on this issue, it is spreading across the nation like wild fire. I will be very curious to see how many of your facilities are using it now and how you feel about it.

Editor's Note: One Pennsylvania converted to a common canister policy and saved nearly $63,000 without any problems reported to the infection control department. Read about their experience with a common canister policy.

8 comments

Brent & Derrick...Just thinking out loud here,...how are the actuations measured?  In other words, how does the facility/therapist/pharmacy know when the canister is empty if the canister is going through so many different hands?  I have read many articles about MDI's being ineffective just for this reason, patients still using the MDI when they are empty.  These same articles state that the only proven effective way to know when the canister is empty is to actually keep count of the actuations from day one.  Now, I know that patients don't do this, but just wanted to know what your thoughts were on all of this.  Thanks for the great blog and posts!

Arianne, RRT September 4, 2012 11:23 AM

Derick...  I had never heard of that but I like that...  a lot better that what is currently being done.   Do you care to forward me your policy on it?  brentholland1@gmail.com  

Teresa...  Great idea.  I needed a topic for my capstone project for my BSRT program.  So yea.. I think that would be as good of a topic as any.   Thank you for the idea.

Brent

Brent Holland, RRT August 17, 2012 8:19 PM

THIS WOULD MADE A GREAT RESEARCH PROJECT. FROM A PATIENT PROSPECTIVE, BRING YOUR OWN MEDICATIONS.

TERESA, , DIRECTOR HUTCHINSON COMMUNITE COLLEG August 17, 2012 11:10 AM
HUTCHINSON KS

I work at a hospital that practices this but differently. For example John Doe has the combivent MDI and that's "his" MDI until discharge. Pharmacy then collects the canister whipes it down and then puts it back into circulation. So all our pt's on the floor have their "own" MDI until discharge. At least this practice give the alcohol time to dry.

Derrick, Cardiopulmonary - RRT August 17, 2012 2:13 AM

lol.  Yep..  I expect it to be coming down the pipeline soon...lol

Brent

Brent Holland, RRT August 16, 2012 1:40 PM

When I first heard about this, I thought it was gross.  Okay, in theory, it should be safe, if the spacers have one way valves and the cannisters are cleaned immaculately every time.  But does that happen?  Most therapists I know don't even clean their stethoscopes between patients.

As for the cost savings, that is questionable as well.  First, all it could take is one immunosupressed patient sharing an MDI to get a hospital acquired infection and die to wipe away any savings the hospital may have.  Oh, maybe physicians and nurses don't realize multiple patients are sharing one MDI, but a shrewd lawyer could certainly find that out. Can you imagine how that practice would go over in court?  Safe or not, the opportunity for cross contamination is there, and that's all it takes to raise doubt.

Secondly, I have to agree about the MDI being labeled and sent home with the patient.  Many, many of our patients end up in the ED because they have run out of their meds and can't afford to get more.  If we don't send them home with something that has already been "bought," they will just end up back in the ED, and sooner rather than later.

Finally, as for personnel costs, in our hospital, the MDIs on non-ventilated patients (except peds or trached pts) are administered by the RNs along with all the other meds.

That alone saves on Respiratory FTEs.

Brent, don't let the bean counters hear your suggestion about IV fluids or that truly will be next!

Christine August 14, 2012 1:33 PM

This really isn't "new" idea been a therapist 18 years and this subject comes arounds ever so often and we try it in our hospital but ultimately we always go back to individual canisters

tracy, RRT August 10, 2012 8:41 PM

Note in reply to Editors note...

1)  While the hospital states they "saved" $63,000, that total is based solely on how much they spent on MDIs in the previous year versus what they spent in the first year of a common canister policy.    There are ZERO studies that look at how many of those patients in the second year had to turn around and come back to the hospital in a few days due to not being discharged with the MDI.   That is to say, it does not take but about 5 hospital readmissions to wipe out (and far surpass) that alleged $63,000 savings.

2)  The claim that there are numerous studies that show little infection risk is just plain old fashioned "cooking the books."    While there are a FEW studies that show it to be safe, all of them are of very small patient numbers.   There are no LARGE sample studies that back this practice up.  I mean if I do a study that says I used a common canister on 38 patients and none died of an infection....  should I REALLY be able to use that and say it is PROOF POSITIVE that the practice has no risk???  I think not.  But, that is in fact the type of studies this practice is justified by.

3)  And finally...  again..  if staff use a common canister on 50 patients and a few times over a 3 week period a couple of patients end up with infections....  the chances of it being "traced back" to that common canister is small.    Any infection would just be considered to be caused by something else.   So, the fact that you wouldnt be able to trace back the source of the infection should not be construed to then say that the common canister is safe.   (Because, again, we really have no idea how many of the infections folks get in the hospital are in fact being caused by a common canister.)   When folks get an infection in the hospital, I dont seem to see people rushing to find out if WE caused it.   The infection is just treated.    Again, proof of this lies also in the fact that MOST of the other departments (including nursing) has NO IDEA that we are even using a common canister....lol

So yes..  in summary...

1) I look at their "savings" with a jaundiced eye.

2) Those alleged "savings" do not adjust for readmissions due to not sending home the partial MDI with the patient upon discharge.

3) The "lack of studies that show cross contamination infection" should not be seen as "proof" of anything since even if we were infecting a few people we would probably never trace it back to the common canister anyway.

What we DO know for sure is that health care workers ARE properly trained on infection control.  They also "report" being compliant.  However, when monitered without their knowledge, the fact is they are NOT so compliant.   (There ARE numerious studies on this.... and they DO include MANY sample studies and not just 30-40 staff members...lol)

In closing...  I guess what I am saying is...  just because something LOOKS LIKE you can save a little bit of money on it does not mean that you CAN save money on it.  Also, even if you really CAN save money on it (which I doubt) doesnt mean that it is the appropriate thing to save money on.)    Again, where do you draw the line?   Do you end up going with that IV fluid suggestion as well?   If an ER patient only uses 500 ml of a 1 liter bag of fluid should we start charging by the ml and thus use the other 500 ml on the next patient just because we can "allegedly" save a little more money on it?

Brent Holland, RRT August 10, 2012 7:04 PM

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